If youre in a position to do so, go for it. Its mind-boggling how much electricity is being wasted. MMM typically suggests going long in index funds, not bonds. So, all of the normal, previous ways of saving have been destroyed & the banks/corrupt bankers get bailed out, over & over & the regular people are sick of it. Besides, how do you get BTC in the first place? Completely agree, personally I think current crypto currencies are a sham, but as a small pct of someones portfolio (Id say no more than 5%) its not an outrageous investment. January 11, 2018, 4:23 am. Most people understand nothing apart from my friend bought some BTC for $5k last month and now theyre worth $20k. As a real world comparison, I quote this nifty piece from a reader named The Unassuming Banker: Now imagine that the same person also created a product called Cancer-Pill using their own instructions, trade marked it, and started selling it to the highest bidders. Crypto currency as an ecosphere financially has benefited the tech industry dramatically, and if you invest like Mr Money Mustache advises, that means you probably have a good amount invested into the S&P 500. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw3WkySh_Ho. No? Its a win-win situation. I noticed that you didnt deny that you are invested in Bitcoin. @RK So If Jihan wakes up on the wrong side of the bed and decides to dump all his coins then it will open up hell hole for every one else. The real test of if you should be a cryptocurrency supporter:would you be exactly as passionate and spend the same amount of time thinking about it,if Bitcoin were still an obscure piece of code, worth less than one cent, and offered no chance of ever earning you any money? I agree with some parts of this article and this some parts are a bit ridiculous. As such, its an awful means of trade. Or stay in touch with them because they might become millionaires? An Interview with Matt Cutts: Can the Government grow a Money Mustache? Bitcoin is a nascent technology and will evolve with time. We have been in an expansion (the weakest one in US history) for almost 9 years. The reason is that its not an investment. Absolutely, so Ill proceed with it. This separation is important becausethe usefulness of Blockchain is the primary justification people use for the big dumb Bitcoin lottery. Now, lets see who is smiling? Since we are still in the opening stages of the Bitcoin phenomenon it is BTCs perceived functionality properties that should drive the current price action, not so much the mania and the speculation aspect. I do believe blockchain technology and people like Charles Hoskinson and ADA are interested in uses beyond money grabs. But consider some things that will live up the hype.. like improved immunotherapies for cancer or Crisprs ability to cheaply edit DNA line by line. Right now a nascent currency like Bitcoin is not able to handle the transactions in a similar fashion due to limited bandwidth, and people like you point that out and say, look it cannot even handle the current level of transactions how is this thing going to replace Visa or MasterCard? Do not let your own brain trick you for easy solutions! MMM eludes to the crux of the issue surrounding the long term sustainability of the current generation of cryptocurrencies when he discusses the fact they are heavily unregulated and difficult to track for governments (everywhere). It is, above all else, pure wealth, other substances, and activities may be valued in gold bullion. Like my double comment? As soon as I read you were selling a bag of your nail clippings for $100, I thought to myself that is a great deal! Im fine with crypto but not as an investment. Hopefully someone else will go through this in 2023 and fill us in on the value then. Cryptocurrencies are the key to humanitys survival. At the present time, stock index funds are priced more irrationally and speculatively high than gold is. You need some sort of fundamentals, and in bitcoin there are none. Bitcoin CANNOT shelter you, pay dividends nor feed you. Most of us, especially in the US and Europe, are free and are allowed to accumulate wealth through education and hard work. Rather than maximize profits, what about minimizing regrets? Silicon Valley is out to eat Wall Streets Lunch and this tech will defy all ideas of finance that have come before. January 2, 2018, 6:23 pm. I think your point about time wasted is very accurate. Rather like italicising. That is where we are with Bitcoins. There used to be cool arbitrage opportunities on a website called purse.io, where you could buy amazon products for a discount using bitcoin but transaction fees have made those types of business models (temporarily?) But they dont have to go down for there to be a US stock market crash in real terms. So just relax, lean into it, and grow rich with me. College, Medical, Cars, houses, Child Care, Stocks, Bitcoin, hell even dining out is all overinflated. Definitely not. All true. Bitcoin is mined using ASICs, not nVidias graphics cards. I dare you to look it up! Very good article! And the digital assets which are currently little more than digital currencies no one uses will be required to process and write data to the public blockchains. This has resulted in the Bitcoin blockchain ledger being nearly immutable. Is Bitcoin eventually going to replace the physical green back dollars and coins in our pockets? This is exactly the same I have a dream. if you over leverage yourself in any of these you can find yourself in trouble. January 3, 2018, 7:20 am, If you could have somehow monetised the Internet in 1992 and sold it. This is the same exact dynamic as tulip bulbs: Do tulip bulbs have a value? I was hoping that when bitcoin futures became a real thing, Id be able to short it in a more normal way. Why is the author so angry about this fact? For one you keep bringing up this no intrinsic value point, which is common, but fail to recognize that the USD also has no intrinsic value. Saving billions from poverty, war, and the enslavement of banks or the lack of any banking is Altruistic. Now, with that moral sermon out of the way, we might as well talk about why Bitcoin has become such a big thing, so we can separate the usefulness of the underlying technology called Blockchain, from the mania about how people have turned Bitcoin it into a big dumb lottery. When I started to feel some FOMO, I know we have to be close to peak interest. Why do you think so? 100% agree. Its only valuable when you cash it out to a real currency again, like the US dollar, and use it to buy something useful like a nice house or a business. We have never in history had such expanding currency supply backed by NOTHING. So If Jihan wakes up on the wrong side of the bed and decides to dump all his coins then it will open up hell hole for every one else. Id argue strongly that its a good thing. As the money supply increases, purchasing power is concentrated with the money creators at the expense of others holding the currency. The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent, and maybe everyone that posts here about how wonderful Bitcoin is will be minted a Bitcoin millionaire and will lock in those profits can we remain sane and humble on the other side? Mr. Money Mustache Reveals A Huge, Hidden Obstacle to Early Retirement. =. January 4, 2018, 2:23 pm. > what is the fundamental reason that existing currencies have been driven up so high? Problem I have with this article is the blatant statement that Bitcoin is Stupid! And of course, the purpose of this whole aside is that I want to establish credibility with you, so you will give this article some consideration. But at least 98% of MMM readers do not live in countries where this is an issue. Sorry*blockchain* may be worthy of accoladesNOT bitcoin. One thing in that seems to be missing in this conversation that Bitcoin maximalists will always point out: He is skeptical of anything that has a tinge of a get rich quick scheme. Which happened 47 years ago, not 40. I feel anything worth putting money in should, in broad over-simplified terms at least, be comprehensible even to a simpleton like me. Let them hold on to their fiat currency if they like to. Last May, when I announced I had inked a deal with Harriman House to publish my new book, Pathfinders, I invited those of you who had embraced The Simple Path to Wealth to share your stories. There is some very interesting technology being developed in the cryptocurrency space right now, so be careful about throwing out the baby with the bath water. LennStar That money would now be long gone as uses of the underlying technology was developed and refined. Shut up, just send me $100 via PayPal and Ill send you a bag of my fingernail clippings. Personally, I think this article shows that Mr Adeney has had his blog hijacked by the Anti-satoshi ;). This is the most blasphemous thing ever to be written by MMM. But my preferred broker, Interactive Brokers, doesnt allow shorting Bitcoin futures (the founder of IB seems very anti-bitcoin in general). Thats a lot of electricity that can be used to power 3.3 million homes wasted. If it works out, its a windfall. . Transactions takes as long as for banks (and soon banks will do trasnfers in seconds too, the real life tests have already started) and cost MORE. Why not one of the other 1500 cryptocurrencies? That has happened before in the world. If you think you are hardcore enough to handle Maximum Mustache, feel free to start at the first article and read your way up to the present using the links at the bottom of each article. My Take: Cryptocurrencies have A LOT of problems currently. LennStar Itll be like monetizing bandwidth because were effectively dealing with the internet of value and ownership. But sometimes they do. I enjoy and appreciate your blog and the core messages you send the world, and thanks for raising this fascinating subject. The comment about 1999 investors didnt receive their investment back from stocks until this year well, for the rest of us that dont invest 100% of our money in the stock market in one instance AND we reinvest dividends, this type of situation is almost impossible. However, there are a couple things you are wrong about here, and are worth commenting on. Dont you find it strange, though, that my grandfather used what you call toilet paper to buy his first car, and his first house? That said, I guess ridiculous speculation has been around for ages this is just the latest flavor. Read Warren Buffets books. So Im going with no. Some people like owning pretty jewelry. No one foresaw that VHS would win, and yet Betamax was gone not many years later. In stating that humans have never had a chance to own their own money you have hit on the essential problem with bitcoin and any other monetary alternative. January 3, 2018, 1:43 pm, Apparently, Amazon pays people in other countries with Amazon gift cards. A whole Bitcoin? Personally i feel that the USD is rapidly approaching hyperinflation. About the Comments Section:Normally, I try not to publish comments that are just emotional reactions or totally uninformed. Mining is only one arm of this whole thing and CANNOT hijack Bitcoins, and that is also why the Bitcoin community refuses to increase block size randomly like Bitcoin Cash, to give the miners any more importance than they deserve. We also both wear wedding rings made of gold and are quite happier with them than if they were made of copper or tin or lead or nickel or mercury. What if you want it for yourself, or have customers or distributors that do? But from now on, Im going to replace that sob story with this: Man, I missed out on MMM fingernail clippings! to remind myself of the absurdity of that imagined sunk cost Ive burdened myself with. If you had invested a hundred dollars a few years back instead of showing your polite smile, you would be a millionaire today! It is the main currency by which you can obtain other cryptocurrencies. Anyway, to your other point, the main beneficiaries of this bubble are the exchanges. I reply, if its gotten that bad, I dont want to live in that world anyway. They are very valuable and the price is sure to rocket! We cannot have better living conditions for half of humanity on this planet under a corrupt and manipulative central banking system of various countries, that are not even true democracies. Or sell half of GBTC. A decentralised system where no human has the power to manipulate money supply is the best thing that any society can expect, to get its finances and economy in order. Long story short bitcoin provides value. Fair comparison? This is the greatest use of human energy and capital the world has ever seen. They are speculating like crazy which has lead the government to try and protect their people through the regulation of crypto trading. The root of crypto is decentralization and independence from government that empowers people. However EVERY SINGLE BITCOIN TRANSACTION IS PERMANENTLY RECORDED AND TRACEABLE. Im not saying to build a bunker or anything but just diversify your portfolio for different economic times. I thought it was pretty genius when back home. Bitcoin has just 200 billion capitalization currently. If the currency is highly valued, he would do well to keep hold of it! Do these 2 billion unbanned people 1) have internet access and 2) access to the initial bitcoin to get in on this internet money? What value is there? I could definitely sell these for more later. Definitely not a speculative bubble. This article is pretty below par in its research and very one sided. No one person has control over it and that may end up being a good thing (people are corruptible). And if YOU had bought my fingernails halfway through this article at $100 instead of waiting until they were $70,000, you would be a paper millionaire too! People suffer immensely. Bitcoin is almost as irrational from current prices as are US stocks. Speculation is very useful and I dont think anyone is going off on peoples choice to speculate, but people are very bad at properly evaluating risk. So you are further wagering that Bitcoin will literally supplant the USD as the world medium of financial exchange, and frankly, that is kinda bonkers. The Bitcoin Faithful also mock me for considering all cryptocurrencies (current and future) as candidates for eventual dominance in transactions, rather than just assuming it would be BTC. Read through TomTXs posts below Michael and you will get to know who started. Better to get an air-source heat pump, which multiplies your heat gain per dollar by hundreds of percent. Many are trying to perfect it but until there is a clear winner, different ones will emerge. I had no idea the market capitalization of Bitcoin and the other crypto-currencies are so high. It can be forged. No doubt we are in a crypto mania now, but the concept of a global digital currency has been coming since Biblical times. Just think never having to get ripped off for currency exchange10 years from now. What, you think rich people dont argue with strangers on the internet? Personally, I am out of Bitcoin because it is no longer useful to me. Any efficiency brought to commerce through blockchain technology are very likely to show up as increased dividends from index funds. Watch on. LennStar Maybe a real article will get the idea to sink in. (FWIW, CAPE had actually been studied in academic settings many, many decades before Shiller, and was a favorite metric of the legendary Benjamin Graham in the 1920s and 30s. The general trend seems to be accusing me of not doing enough research, even after I dug into this stuff pretty deeply for a long, long time. I imagine that we are both smiling at this point. Once you make this separation in your mind, you can see that Blockchain is a simply a nifty new software invention (which is open-source and free for anyone to use), whereas Bitcoin is just one well-known way to use it. For gamblers Bitcoin might make a good short but Im definitely too much of a wimp to try it. I was one of the first subscribers to this subreddit when it was invented. In a world of human trust, putting the wisest and most respected people in a position of Adult Supervision is a useful tactic. Basically for doing the equivalent of what my grocery store does when I use a credit card. 3. Spend $40,000 a year x 25 = $1,000,000 to be FI/spend 4% of $1,000,000 = $40,000 to spend each year. January 3, 2018, 7:32 am. So, we usually get $100 to $200 worth of stuff all at once. You can even have a social media/blogging site based on a blockchain, like steem/steemit. 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