Ask about whatever you want with our Free Rune Readings! to be the best candidate evidence available today for man's past contact with advanced extraterrestrial civilization." It is a type of fuel that can lead to what Clay Farris Naff cleverly calls the neuron bomb. In this post, Michael Shermer asks, Is there a moral standard that stands above all the worlds religions that is based on some transcendent source?. The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. answer is that they got this information from amphibious aliens from outer Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? I assumed, reasonably I.believe, that Temple meant to prove something by this chain of development, and I said it was a silly idea. ;WI)hK>U/sW_: v* &73DUI*y|07s^gQ7ni[khi4o2vA[a20?D-C[;,!vgejZE-,I51.cWS,?4#_}dpU4I[, w.Mi>Z@iOa:ia](i}29pit+ K#x>0nzDS%c7iN}%37Y-f 1Yvq'Nm=~-%#bO*O44*4%Aj Wi All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule. Van Beek states that this creates a major problem for Griaules claims. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. For example, he claims that the Dogon have a drawing like the one in Figure 1. For more then 20 years, The Sirius Mystery has influenced speculation about the possibility that our forefathers came from the stars. to other visible stars near Sirius as recognition of the invisible In their original findings, Griaule and Deiterlen make no comment about the Dogon knowledge of Sirius B. A recent newsletter from my local astronomy association still found the Dogon and their mysterious knowledge of Sirius B worth mentioning. stars to the sun, the Alpha Centauri system. var d=new Date();var n=d.toLocaleDateString();var t=d.toLocaleTimeString(); document.write(n + "
" + t); Want to know your future? MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. from black Egyptians who had telescopes. 11.1. Some astronomers speculate that the white dwarf Sirius B might have been a flaming red giant only 2000 years ago although current astrophysical theories decree that any such transformation in less than 100,000 years is impossible. Beings of this type would be a bit like mermaids and mermen. Perhaps the 'sirens' are, figuratively, a chorus of mermaids recalled from earlier times.They are called in Greek Seiren.It is -- in other words, no disproof would follow the failure of his prediction.). WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. Fishs map and Hills map look similar only because the lines connecting the stars look the same. The Dogon. have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in Zeta Reticuli 2 (with about the same temperature and mass as the Sun) is another candidate. (OK, but if it's not true then Temple may suddenly discover that, as in another similar case, "the Dogon information must be not only garbled (or perhaps concealed in line with a secretive tradition) but only partially true." by Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano. And this is what Mr. Oberg has done." "It does not!" Most important, no one, even within the circle Since Sirius B is a very dense white dwarf star about the size of Earth, it can only be seen in dark skies with medium-sized telescopes. The Nine became part of the UFO and New Age mythology and many claim to be in contact with them. WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to African thought. Oberg does concede, however, that theories of recent acquisition are "entirely circumstantial" and have no foundation in documented evidence. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. It seems likely that we will never know for sure. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? October 1977 saw Marvin Luckermann's "More Sirius Difficulties," on ancient calendar systems and an alternate, non- extraterrestrial explanation for the ancient fascination with the number fifty (the article quotes Michael Astour's book Hellenosemitics as saying, "This exorbitant figure, very popular in Greek myths, has its explanation: it is the number of seven-day weeks in one lunar year. (Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books,1982), pp. September 1976 saw According to Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had As anthropologists have known for a long time, primitive tribes have a remarkable talent for absorbing interesting new stories into their traditional mythology. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. "Lecture 1st Such is the case with the Dogon a West African people and their supposed advanced and inexplicable knowledge of the stars Sirius A and Sirius B. Sirius A is the brightest star in our sky. "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. James, Peter and Nick Thorpe. Although Temple fails to prove its antiquity, the evidence for the recent acquisition of the information is still entirely circumstantial. Sagan has recounted numerous examples from Arizona and New Guinea -- and other scholars have noted similar instances -- of the rapid assimilation of new stories, songs and lore into the eclectic mythology of Stone Age peoples. This proves that geodetic surveys of immense accuracy were thus practiced in ancient Egypt with a knowledge of the earth as a spherical body in space and projections upon it envisaged as part of the Sirius lore.". mystery resurfaces. %PDF-1.4 He shows a total ignorance or disregard for almost every fact in my book, and there is hardly a single thing in his review which is remotely accurate." [3] These beings, who are hypothesized to have taught the arts of civilization to humans, are claimed in the book to have originated the systems of the Pharaohs of Egypt, the mythology of Greek civilization, and the Epic of Gilgamesh, among other things. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. Europeans too talked about the discovery of a third star in the Sirius system; later investigations, however, ruled out that possibility. extraterrestrials, the Nommos, some 5,000 years ago. Instead, he closed his response to my own article in 1979 with a brushoff: "In my view it is pointless to attack someone in print unless you can substantiate what you are saying. Using spherical trig, I got 612.3 km for the Siwa-Behdet leg and 654.8 km for the Thebes-Behdet. But the extraterrestrial hypothesis will not fade away so easily. Even in the most optimistic reading of this tale, the Dogon know no more than we knew about the Solar System and nearby stars in the 1930s, which is about the time that Griaule and Deiterlen first interacted with them. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Astronomers Carl Sagan and Ian Ridpath, for example, have suggested that the modern astronomical aspects of the complex Dogon mythology entered the lore only recently, probably shortly before the myths were written down in the 1930s. Appleby also believes there exists a modern arrogance that cannot countenance the idea that ancient civilisations might have been scientifically superior. Unfortunately the ancient records contain no clear, unambiguous references to this Sirius lore although the works of historians, astronomers and philosophers were explicit and detailed on innumerable other subjects. One additional disturbing note: That distance has been computed based on a true geodetic oblate spheroid, but even assuming a flat surface would only have introduced an error of a few tenths of one percent at most (Temple obviously didn't know that, or he wouldn't have asserted that measurements even less accurate than that were proof that ancients took Earth's sphericity into account.). What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Temple's theory is heavily based on his interpretation of the work of ethnographers Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. See also von Dniken, Zecharia Sitchin, and UFO. You guessed it -- Sirius! Webplanet earth. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. Griaule and Dieterlen first described their findings in an article published in French in 1950, but they included no comment about how extraordinary the Dogon knowledge of the invisible companions was. Perhaps so -- it does seem like a trivial point, arguing over how different two meaningless geographical distances really are. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. Could a remote African people have gained esoteric knowledge about the sky without having telescopes? To penetrate this supposed disguise (which might not be a disguise at all, other classical scholars maintain), Temple resorts to ancient puns, to hidden meanings, to "garbled versions" which he must amend to fit the theory, to the exchange of consonants in innocent-looking words, to similar-sounding words from Temple, however, has stated in the reprint of The Sirius Mystery (1999) that he in no way supports what he refers to as "sinister cults" that have been inspired by his book. due to quantities of melanin (Welsing, F. C. 1987. James and Thorpe understate the problem when they say this is very worrying. Griaule claimed that about 15 per cent of the Dogon tribe possessed this secret knowledge, but Van Beek could find no trace of it in the decade he spent with the Dogon. The diagram is only convincing as a representation of Sirius B orbiting Sirius A when most of the original symbols are eliminated. The Dogon and Sirius. According to Sagan, western Africa has had many visitors from Webplanet earth. ", Investigating Several possibilities exist. The difference in brightness between Sirius A and B is a factor of 10,000! Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? by Liam McDaid. of course, no evidence for this special eyesight, nor for other equally for some unknown reason from a planet orbiting myths by confabulation." To quote Ancient Mysteries: While Temple, following Griaule, assumes that to polo is the invisible star Sirius B, the Dogon themselves, as reported by Griaule, say something quite different. To quote the Dogon: When Digitaria (to polo) is close to Sirius, the latter becomes brighter; when it is at its most distant from Sirius, Digitaria gives off a twinkling effect, suggesting several stars to the observer. This description of a very visible effect causes James and Thorpe to wonder as anyone reading this should do whether to polo is therefore an ordinary star near Sirius, not an invisible companion, as Griaule and Temple suggest. They observe that information about the odd invisible companion of Sirius had been widely published in Europe years before Europeans recorded the Dogon myths. Some might argue that if there were a planet really close to Sirius A, it could be in a stable orbit. they were not told by beings from the star Sirius.". Mysteries (Ballantine Books, 1999). After being surprised that an astromomy association would, after all this time, bother to publish such an article, I did a web search and found that in 1997 Robert Temple published a second edition of the book that started it all TheSirius Mystery in which he addressed none of the main criticisms that had been directed against the first edition, published in 1976. S]V',H79aD>1 Q@d(FOY;"36y0Z{VXEJwOx._tto}#&i|HR-i4 ch. In his 1998 revised edition, Temple was quick to point out the new discussions in scientific circles about the possible existence of Sirius C, which seemed to make Griaules claims even more spectacular and accurate. Such assimilation occurs most frequently when the subject is one of particular interest to a people -- as Sirius is to the Dogons. Nevertheless the Sumerian Oannes myths, first described by Sagan and Shklovskiy in Intelligent Life in the Universe in 1966, are as intriguing as ever. Also, why would the Dogan people not divulge where they received such recent knowledge of transfer if they had of gotten this knowledge from Europeans. I suspect not.". The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. No other anthropologist supports their opinions. Hmm, The Cardiff Giant, one of the most celebrated hoaxes in American history, on display at the Farmers Museum in Cooperstown, NY. Another claim: that in Egypt the oasis of Siwa and the ancient Nile City of Thebes are both equidistant from the shrine city of Behdet, in the delta -- and the same exact distance, too. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. We may never be able to reconstruct the exact route by which the Dogon received their current knowledge, but out of the confusion at least one thing is clear: Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. By comparison, our own Sun was that old 3.4 billion years ago. The review was indeed consequently modified in parts where Temple explained portions of his book I may have misinterpreted. Ancient astronauts entrepreneur Erich von Daniken endorses and adopts Temple's explanations in his latest book, Von Daniken's Proof. Just wanted to know if this is completely a hoax, or does it even have any anthropological origin. As Picknett and Prince have been able to show, Temples arguments are often based on erroneous readings of encyclopdia entries and misrepresentations of ancient Egyptian mythology. "At first glance," Sagan admitted, "the Sirius legend of the Dogon seems Its second, 1998, edition is called The Sirius Mystery: New Scientific Evidence of Alien Contact 5,000 Years Ago. We need more reliable evidence -- especially theories that can be tested. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. Dwarfs and Little Green Men". of Griaule informants, had ever heard or understood that Sirius was a The star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Figure 2. The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. Carl. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Oberg also says that the Dogon were not an isolated tribe and that a member might have acquired knowledge about Sirius B while abroad and later passed it on to the tribe. Even if you allow for a much higher biological mutation rate on any Sirian planet compared to the Earth, it still isnt enough time. no conclusions of any kind." extremely dense and has a fifty-year orbit. Feature Articles Dogon shame Did ancient gods from the Sirius star system visit an African tribe 5,000 years ago? In reply Temple produces evidence for the great antiquity of the Sirius cult. This is the original Dogon drawing. The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. Indeed, in view of the Dogon fixation with Sirius it would surely be more surprising if they had not grafted on to their existing legend some new astronomical information gained from Europeans. Europeans too believed that the "white dwarf' Sirius-B star was the heaviest thing in the universe, although in later years astronomers were to find The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? (I must confess I've felt that way about some other people, tool). Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. The Demon-Haunted World - Science as a Candle in the Dark (New Modern astronomers have discovered the remains of the supernova Vela-X in a constellation which would have been visible in the low southern sky from Sumer. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Temple considers alternative possibilities other than alien contact, such as a very ancient, advanced, and lost civilization that was behind the sudden appearance of advanced civilization in both Egypt and Sumer. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. In a recent book, The Once and Future Star (Hawthorn Books, 1977), George Michanowsky identifies "Oannes" as a Hellenized version of the Sumerian name Ea; he At least three are farther and at least one of them has rings too. Giants appear in cultures around the world: Biblical tales of giants more than ten feet tall; Roman and Greek stories of titans and heroes; European stories of giants of mountain and hill. the Sirius "Mystery". civilization. Temple's impressive research was encouraged by noted futurist Arthur C, Clarke (although Clarke now prefers the "modern influence" hypothesis). WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. Conversations With This is true, but Sirius has about 25 times the luminosity of the Sun. [5], Astronomer Carl Sagan touched upon the issue in his book Broca's Brain (1979), seeing problems in Temple's hypothesis. Swift appears to have taken the idea of two close (although not necessarily small) moons of Mars from Voltaire's novel Micromegos in which an [2][1] The book was first published by St. Martin's Press in 1976. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. African Observers of the Universe: The Sirius Question. In, Ortiz de Montellano, Bernard R. 1996. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. interesting that the Greek Sirius is Seirios.". scientific equipment, so how could they get this knowledge? Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. According to Griaule and So what is the alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis for the Dogon myths7 The Dogons could have learned of European Sirius lore in the 1920's from traders, explorers or missionaries, many of whom are avid amateur astronomers. Other Temple claims, including some wild assertions from The Secrets of the Great Pyramid, can as easily be checked and as easily demolished. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. Of those websites, over 400 had been updated within the last three months. It's fascinating. And from what star system does the visitor come? To quote James and Thorpe: As for Sirius B, only Griaules informants had ever heard of it. Was Griaule told by his informants what he wanted to believe; did he misinterpret the Dogon responses to his questions? Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. The Dogon people had been visited by European visitors many times, most notably when they hosted French astronomers looking to find a good vantage point to observe the solar eclipse of 1893. The alleged visitors from outer space Finally, he asked me point-blank if I could point out any errors in it and partly out of politeness, partly to get rid of him, and partly because I had been able to read very little of the book so that the answer was true, I said I could not point out any errors. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. The antiquity of the Dogon astronomy is not so obvious as ancient astronaut enthusiasts claim but neither has it been disproved. Cuddle up with someone. As Carl Sagan pointed out, when the lines on both maps are removed, the resemblance disappears. the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. However, doubts have been raised about the reliability of Griaule and Dieterlen's work on which The Sirius Mystery is based,[4][5] and alternative explanations have been proposed. More recent research suggests that the contaminator was Griaule himself. by Philip Coppens. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. One of the pieces of evidence Temple cites is a sand picture made by the E. "Ancient Astronauts," in The Encyclopedia of the A critical analysis has to investigate the accuracy of such claims, so as to judge the validity of the book's conclusions. What about Sirius? WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. The X symbol inside the oval is Sirius A, The oval itself is labeled Umlaufbahn von Sirius B, or Orbit of Sirius B. Pretty convincing. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Skeptic. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. These same myths, Temple claims, identify a planet circling that star as the home of Nommo, an alien creature who founded the Dogon civilization. the Dogon. astronomical information. the Sirius "Mystery" by Ian Ridpath, Skeptical Inquirer, Fall Sirius B was known to exist then. 1978. Temple's book is indeed extremely long and many other researchers have echoed Asimov's assertion that it is "unreadable." The mystery of the ancient "red" Sirius also remains baffling. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. Print versions available in Dutch, Russian, Japanese, and Korean. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. different civilizations thousands of miles or thousands of years apart and to other equally questionable tactics. Did Oberg? theorizes that the myths may refer to a gigantic supernova. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. A substantial bulk of The Sirius Mystery consists of comparative linguistic and mythological scholarship, pointing out resemblances among Dogon, Yoruba, Egyptian and Sumerian beliefs and symbols. Dogon descriptions of Jupiter, Saturn and Sirius remind one of Jonathan Swift's uncanny description of the two undiscovered moons of Mars. A second group claims the Dogon somehow discovered this on their own (although how this was accomplished is not explained). The "mystery" that is central to the book is how the Dogon allegedly acquired knowledge of Sirius B, the white dwarf companion star of Sirius A, invisible to the naked eye. The Dogon are supposed to have known that Sirius B orbits Sirius and that a complete orbit takes The Stone Age storytellers speak by their campfires of other people on other planets and of other mysteries. good amount of discussion of Sirius in the scientific press in the '20s so First, in general, Temple displays his own gross ignorance of geometry and spherical trigonometry. The Dogons hold that Jupiter has four moons when in fact it has at least 12, plus a ring, as any true extraterrestrial would have known. The Dogon and Sirius. mystery resurfaces." In 1998, Temple republished the book with the subtitle new scientific evidence of alien contact 5,000 years ago. The books reputation was first dented in 1999, when Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince published The Stargate Conspiracy, in which they allege that Temples thinking had been heavily influenced by his mentor, Arthur M. Young. In 1967, Temple began work on the thesis that became The Sirius Mystery. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. If so, I wonder why that passage was ever "worth pointing out" in the book in the first place. "wished to affirm the complexity of African religions and questioned It is important to look at the assumptions and implications of the claims made about the Dogon. Astronomers classify Sirius as a "class A" star, hotter and younger than our sun, Its brightness is due largely to its proximity; it is barely eight light- years away from the earth. They all have one thing in common: enormous monsters. 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" + t); Want to know your future? MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. from black Egyptians who had telescopes. 11.1. Some astronomers speculate that the white dwarf Sirius B might have been a flaming red giant only 2000 years ago although current astrophysical theories decree that any such transformation in less than 100,000 years is impossible. Beings of this type would be a bit like mermaids and mermen. Perhaps the 'sirens' are, figuratively, a chorus of mermaids recalled from earlier times.They are called in Greek Seiren.It is -- in other words, no disproof would follow the failure of his prediction.). WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. Fishs map and Hills map look similar only because the lines connecting the stars look the same. The Dogon. have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in Zeta Reticuli 2 (with about the same temperature and mass as the Sun) is another candidate. (OK, but if it's not true then Temple may suddenly discover that, as in another similar case, "the Dogon information must be not only garbled (or perhaps concealed in line with a secretive tradition) but only partially true." by Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano. And this is what Mr. Oberg has done." "It does not!" Most important, no one, even within the circle Since Sirius B is a very dense white dwarf star about the size of Earth, it can only be seen in dark skies with medium-sized telescopes. The Nine became part of the UFO and New Age mythology and many claim to be in contact with them. WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to African thought. Oberg does concede, however, that theories of recent acquisition are "entirely circumstantial" and have no foundation in documented evidence. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. It seems likely that we will never know for sure. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? October 1977 saw Marvin Luckermann's "More Sirius Difficulties," on ancient calendar systems and an alternate, non- extraterrestrial explanation for the ancient fascination with the number fifty (the article quotes Michael Astour's book Hellenosemitics as saying, "This exorbitant figure, very popular in Greek myths, has its explanation: it is the number of seven-day weeks in one lunar year. (Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books,1982), pp. September 1976 saw According to Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had As anthropologists have known for a long time, primitive tribes have a remarkable talent for absorbing interesting new stories into their traditional mythology. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. "Lecture 1st Such is the case with the Dogon a West African people and their supposed advanced and inexplicable knowledge of the stars Sirius A and Sirius B. Sirius A is the brightest star in our sky. "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. James, Peter and Nick Thorpe. Although Temple fails to prove its antiquity, the evidence for the recent acquisition of the information is still entirely circumstantial. Sagan has recounted numerous examples from Arizona and New Guinea -- and other scholars have noted similar instances -- of the rapid assimilation of new stories, songs and lore into the eclectic mythology of Stone Age peoples. This proves that geodetic surveys of immense accuracy were thus practiced in ancient Egypt with a knowledge of the earth as a spherical body in space and projections upon it envisaged as part of the Sirius lore.". mystery resurfaces. %PDF-1.4 He shows a total ignorance or disregard for almost every fact in my book, and there is hardly a single thing in his review which is remotely accurate." [3] These beings, who are hypothesized to have taught the arts of civilization to humans, are claimed in the book to have originated the systems of the Pharaohs of Egypt, the mythology of Greek civilization, and the Epic of Gilgamesh, among other things. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. Europeans too talked about the discovery of a third star in the Sirius system; later investigations, however, ruled out that possibility. extraterrestrials, the Nommos, some 5,000 years ago. Instead, he closed his response to my own article in 1979 with a brushoff: "In my view it is pointless to attack someone in print unless you can substantiate what you are saying. Using spherical trig, I got 612.3 km for the Siwa-Behdet leg and 654.8 km for the Thebes-Behdet. But the extraterrestrial hypothesis will not fade away so easily. Even in the most optimistic reading of this tale, the Dogon know no more than we knew about the Solar System and nearby stars in the 1930s, which is about the time that Griaule and Deiterlen first interacted with them. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Astronomers Carl Sagan and Ian Ridpath, for example, have suggested that the modern astronomical aspects of the complex Dogon mythology entered the lore only recently, probably shortly before the myths were written down in the 1930s. Appleby also believes there exists a modern arrogance that cannot countenance the idea that ancient civilisations might have been scientifically superior. Unfortunately the ancient records contain no clear, unambiguous references to this Sirius lore although the works of historians, astronomers and philosophers were explicit and detailed on innumerable other subjects. One additional disturbing note: That distance has been computed based on a true geodetic oblate spheroid, but even assuming a flat surface would only have introduced an error of a few tenths of one percent at most (Temple obviously didn't know that, or he wouldn't have asserted that measurements even less accurate than that were proof that ancients took Earth's sphericity into account.). What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Temple's theory is heavily based on his interpretation of the work of ethnographers Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. See also von Dniken, Zecharia Sitchin, and UFO. You guessed it -- Sirius! Webplanet earth. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. Griaule and Dieterlen first described their findings in an article published in French in 1950, but they included no comment about how extraordinary the Dogon knowledge of the invisible companions was. Perhaps so -- it does seem like a trivial point, arguing over how different two meaningless geographical distances really are. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. Could a remote African people have gained esoteric knowledge about the sky without having telescopes? To penetrate this supposed disguise (which might not be a disguise at all, other classical scholars maintain), Temple resorts to ancient puns, to hidden meanings, to "garbled versions" which he must amend to fit the theory, to the exchange of consonants in innocent-looking words, to similar-sounding words from Temple, however, has stated in the reprint of The Sirius Mystery (1999) that he in no way supports what he refers to as "sinister cults" that have been inspired by his book. due to quantities of melanin (Welsing, F. C. 1987. James and Thorpe understate the problem when they say this is very worrying. Griaule claimed that about 15 per cent of the Dogon tribe possessed this secret knowledge, but Van Beek could find no trace of it in the decade he spent with the Dogon. The diagram is only convincing as a representation of Sirius B orbiting Sirius A when most of the original symbols are eliminated. The Dogon and Sirius. According to Sagan, western Africa has had many visitors from Webplanet earth. ", Investigating Several possibilities exist. The difference in brightness between Sirius A and B is a factor of 10,000! Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? by Liam McDaid. of course, no evidence for this special eyesight, nor for other equally for some unknown reason from a planet orbiting myths by confabulation." To quote Ancient Mysteries: While Temple, following Griaule, assumes that to polo is the invisible star Sirius B, the Dogon themselves, as reported by Griaule, say something quite different. To quote the Dogon: When Digitaria (to polo) is close to Sirius, the latter becomes brighter; when it is at its most distant from Sirius, Digitaria gives off a twinkling effect, suggesting several stars to the observer. This description of a very visible effect causes James and Thorpe to wonder as anyone reading this should do whether to polo is therefore an ordinary star near Sirius, not an invisible companion, as Griaule and Temple suggest. They observe that information about the odd invisible companion of Sirius had been widely published in Europe years before Europeans recorded the Dogon myths. Some might argue that if there were a planet really close to Sirius A, it could be in a stable orbit. they were not told by beings from the star Sirius.". Mysteries (Ballantine Books, 1999). After being surprised that an astromomy association would, after all this time, bother to publish such an article, I did a web search and found that in 1997 Robert Temple published a second edition of the book that started it all TheSirius Mystery in which he addressed none of the main criticisms that had been directed against the first edition, published in 1976. S]V',H79aD>1 Q@d(FOY;"36y0Z{VXEJwOx._tto}#&i|HR-i4 ch. In his 1998 revised edition, Temple was quick to point out the new discussions in scientific circles about the possible existence of Sirius C, which seemed to make Griaules claims even more spectacular and accurate. Such assimilation occurs most frequently when the subject is one of particular interest to a people -- as Sirius is to the Dogons. Nevertheless the Sumerian Oannes myths, first described by Sagan and Shklovskiy in Intelligent Life in the Universe in 1966, are as intriguing as ever. Also, why would the Dogan people not divulge where they received such recent knowledge of transfer if they had of gotten this knowledge from Europeans. I suspect not.". The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. No other anthropologist supports their opinions. Hmm, The Cardiff Giant, one of the most celebrated hoaxes in American history, on display at the Farmers Museum in Cooperstown, NY. Another claim: that in Egypt the oasis of Siwa and the ancient Nile City of Thebes are both equidistant from the shrine city of Behdet, in the delta -- and the same exact distance, too. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. We may never be able to reconstruct the exact route by which the Dogon received their current knowledge, but out of the confusion at least one thing is clear: Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. By comparison, our own Sun was that old 3.4 billion years ago. The review was indeed consequently modified in parts where Temple explained portions of his book I may have misinterpreted. Ancient astronauts entrepreneur Erich von Daniken endorses and adopts Temple's explanations in his latest book, Von Daniken's Proof. Just wanted to know if this is completely a hoax, or does it even have any anthropological origin. As Picknett and Prince have been able to show, Temples arguments are often based on erroneous readings of encyclopdia entries and misrepresentations of ancient Egyptian mythology. "At first glance," Sagan admitted, "the Sirius legend of the Dogon seems Its second, 1998, edition is called The Sirius Mystery: New Scientific Evidence of Alien Contact 5,000 Years Ago. We need more reliable evidence -- especially theories that can be tested. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. Dwarfs and Little Green Men". of Griaule informants, had ever heard or understood that Sirius was a The star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Figure 2. The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. Carl. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Oberg also says that the Dogon were not an isolated tribe and that a member might have acquired knowledge about Sirius B while abroad and later passed it on to the tribe. Even if you allow for a much higher biological mutation rate on any Sirian planet compared to the Earth, it still isnt enough time. no conclusions of any kind." extremely dense and has a fifty-year orbit. Feature Articles Dogon shame Did ancient gods from the Sirius star system visit an African tribe 5,000 years ago? In reply Temple produces evidence for the great antiquity of the Sirius cult. This is the original Dogon drawing. The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. Indeed, in view of the Dogon fixation with Sirius it would surely be more surprising if they had not grafted on to their existing legend some new astronomical information gained from Europeans. Europeans too believed that the "white dwarf' Sirius-B star was the heaviest thing in the universe, although in later years astronomers were to find The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? (I must confess I've felt that way about some other people, tool). Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. The Demon-Haunted World - Science as a Candle in the Dark (New Modern astronomers have discovered the remains of the supernova Vela-X in a constellation which would have been visible in the low southern sky from Sumer. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Temple considers alternative possibilities other than alien contact, such as a very ancient, advanced, and lost civilization that was behind the sudden appearance of advanced civilization in both Egypt and Sumer. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. In a recent book, The Once and Future Star (Hawthorn Books, 1977), George Michanowsky identifies "Oannes" as a Hellenized version of the Sumerian name Ea; he At least three are farther and at least one of them has rings too. Giants appear in cultures around the world: Biblical tales of giants more than ten feet tall; Roman and Greek stories of titans and heroes; European stories of giants of mountain and hill. the Sirius "Mystery". civilization. Temple's impressive research was encouraged by noted futurist Arthur C, Clarke (although Clarke now prefers the "modern influence" hypothesis). WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. Conversations With This is true, but Sirius has about 25 times the luminosity of the Sun. [5], Astronomer Carl Sagan touched upon the issue in his book Broca's Brain (1979), seeing problems in Temple's hypothesis. Swift appears to have taken the idea of two close (although not necessarily small) moons of Mars from Voltaire's novel Micromegos in which an [2][1] The book was first published by St. Martin's Press in 1976. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. African Observers of the Universe: The Sirius Question. In, Ortiz de Montellano, Bernard R. 1996. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. interesting that the Greek Sirius is Seirios.". scientific equipment, so how could they get this knowledge? Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. According to Griaule and So what is the alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis for the Dogon myths7 The Dogons could have learned of European Sirius lore in the 1920's from traders, explorers or missionaries, many of whom are avid amateur astronomers. Other Temple claims, including some wild assertions from The Secrets of the Great Pyramid, can as easily be checked and as easily demolished. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. Of those websites, over 400 had been updated within the last three months. It's fascinating. And from what star system does the visitor come? To quote James and Thorpe: As for Sirius B, only Griaules informants had ever heard of it. Was Griaule told by his informants what he wanted to believe; did he misinterpret the Dogon responses to his questions? Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. The Dogon people had been visited by European visitors many times, most notably when they hosted French astronomers looking to find a good vantage point to observe the solar eclipse of 1893. The alleged visitors from outer space Finally, he asked me point-blank if I could point out any errors in it and partly out of politeness, partly to get rid of him, and partly because I had been able to read very little of the book so that the answer was true, I said I could not point out any errors. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. The antiquity of the Dogon astronomy is not so obvious as ancient astronaut enthusiasts claim but neither has it been disproved. Cuddle up with someone. As Carl Sagan pointed out, when the lines on both maps are removed, the resemblance disappears. the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. However, doubts have been raised about the reliability of Griaule and Dieterlen's work on which The Sirius Mystery is based,[4][5] and alternative explanations have been proposed. More recent research suggests that the contaminator was Griaule himself. by Philip Coppens. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. One of the pieces of evidence Temple cites is a sand picture made by the E. "Ancient Astronauts," in The Encyclopedia of the A critical analysis has to investigate the accuracy of such claims, so as to judge the validity of the book's conclusions. What about Sirius? WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. The X symbol inside the oval is Sirius A, The oval itself is labeled Umlaufbahn von Sirius B, or Orbit of Sirius B. Pretty convincing. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Skeptic. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. These same myths, Temple claims, identify a planet circling that star as the home of Nommo, an alien creature who founded the Dogon civilization. the Dogon. astronomical information. the Sirius "Mystery" by Ian Ridpath, Skeptical Inquirer, Fall Sirius B was known to exist then. 1978. Temple's book is indeed extremely long and many other researchers have echoed Asimov's assertion that it is "unreadable." The mystery of the ancient "red" Sirius also remains baffling. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. Print versions available in Dutch, Russian, Japanese, and Korean. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. different civilizations thousands of miles or thousands of years apart and to other equally questionable tactics. Did Oberg? theorizes that the myths may refer to a gigantic supernova. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. A substantial bulk of The Sirius Mystery consists of comparative linguistic and mythological scholarship, pointing out resemblances among Dogon, Yoruba, Egyptian and Sumerian beliefs and symbols. Dogon descriptions of Jupiter, Saturn and Sirius remind one of Jonathan Swift's uncanny description of the two undiscovered moons of Mars. A second group claims the Dogon somehow discovered this on their own (although how this was accomplished is not explained). The "mystery" that is central to the book is how the Dogon allegedly acquired knowledge of Sirius B, the white dwarf companion star of Sirius A, invisible to the naked eye. The Dogon are supposed to have known that Sirius B orbits Sirius and that a complete orbit takes The Stone Age storytellers speak by their campfires of other people on other planets and of other mysteries. good amount of discussion of Sirius in the scientific press in the '20s so First, in general, Temple displays his own gross ignorance of geometry and spherical trigonometry. The Dogons hold that Jupiter has four moons when in fact it has at least 12, plus a ring, as any true extraterrestrial would have known. The Dogon and Sirius. mystery resurfaces." In 1998, Temple republished the book with the subtitle new scientific evidence of alien contact 5,000 years ago. The books reputation was first dented in 1999, when Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince published The Stargate Conspiracy, in which they allege that Temples thinking had been heavily influenced by his mentor, Arthur M. Young. In 1967, Temple began work on the thesis that became The Sirius Mystery. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. If so, I wonder why that passage was ever "worth pointing out" in the book in the first place. "wished to affirm the complexity of African religions and questioned It is important to look at the assumptions and implications of the claims made about the Dogon. Astronomers classify Sirius as a "class A" star, hotter and younger than our sun, Its brightness is due largely to its proximity; it is barely eight light- years away from the earth. They all have one thing in common: enormous monsters. 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