http://usmilitaryknives.com/knife_knotes_7.htm. Is it a genuine vintage or merely a reproduction? J63: Army Parachutist Knife. In most of the places that Ive come across a Klein knife, it was either a military electricians knife or for another handyman. This is the knife as adopted, kept for the Folding Knives from Camillus Cutlery Folding Knives Handle Color Black Select from a variety of quality Camillus and Western folding knife styles and folding knives that include liner locks, lock backs and frame locks. unknown variant like the Marbles above. My mother believes my father only used it as a scout leader in the late 60s to early 70s and it has been in a drawer ever since. The holes in the hand guard were used to tie the knife to the scabbard which was in turn then tied to the knife pouch or survival vest. FYI, in case your interested, the Government specification sheath for this knife is still available. Show me your knife, and I'll tell you who you are. It was later made with an etch on the blade "Sportsman" Still,, Read More How to Date Klein Knives to A Specific Year or Era (5 Methods)Continue, The Case Kodiak is one of the most interesting exports from the company and continues to command a high price today. Another Kent with stagged Rosewood, brass pins and etched. Mikedon thanks for posting the pictures. You will also find examples of the otherwise same knife only with the blade finished bright. Camillus wanted to send the knife with a hack saw blade attached to and the empty draws. I have one but cant find anything about it. Frank reports that Marbles was supplying the Ideal to the Government as early as 1934. Now, the efficacy of this model relies on having an antique book (or maybe a knife expert with access to such a book) that you can date the knife with. The one on the left there is a bevel at the top of the grip. After all, that is what they practically do for a living. The former refers to the knife being a normal US army fighting knife, while the latter identifies the Ka-bar knives issued to the US Navy. Below the knives are short write up of what they are. factory collection. Don't know how durable or even if it is any good. I suspect it is Vietnam era from its condition. St Louis with Indian Trail grooved bone and large rivets. Camillus Keto Folding Knife $29.99 2 Reviews Notify Me When In Stock Camillus Choff Folding Knife Black $19.99 Notify Me When In Stock Camillus LK6 Folding Knife $22.99 Notify Me When In Stock Camillus Wedge Folding Knife $19.99 Notify Me When In Stock Camillus Carbide Edge Folding Knife $36.99 Notify Me When In Stock Camillus Heater II Neck Knife Anything you can tell me about its history? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. the font is a bit off but hard to tell apart if you do not have the two The blade not adopted had a flat blade with plastic Resinox pommel. The brand started using tang stamps early enough, making it easy to tell the age of a Camillus knife. This design was accepted, and the military specifications documents were updated to reflect Marbles concept in MIL-K-8662A (04 November 1957). I have not Plus the rubber is just about the best thing for keeping a knife grippy even after you've gotten into messy parts of processing game. Very nice! This knife fits in with #3 Speak with Knife Collectors and Dealers. apart. Thank you, this is a very informative treatise on this knife. My friend and I were just talking about this specific subject, she actually is normally attempting to prove me completely wrong! I also personally packed these knives up Era" knife. S-6708 RW marked Guardless fish knife stamped Krome Plate, Unknown: Believed to be a special hunting knife made for Knife. Held off rust well, and it is pretty solid. I have the knife and sheath, but not the sharpener. compares with this knife. like the original and with a little bit of use can be made to look old real The Air Force Survival Knife was introduced to the commercial market by Marble after not being awarded the DoD contract to supply the new survival knife to the military. Beyond that I do not know if they were swapped out. Thanks for your help. edge. capt14k, 1937. Entertaining and informing. Required fields are marked *. Dated 10/30/1941. Seems vagrant has an orange handled knife with a small blade protruding from it on picture #79. Most knives I seen are marked 10998 or some other number not marked on my blade. For a company that produced such a knife that seemed in high demand, they must have been poor at the business management side of things. The reason behind Marble selling their knife to the general public was due, in part, to pre-maturely manufacturing several thousand knife blades and parts in advance of learning who would be awarded the government contract to supply the knives to the military. "S" Cards and drawings, dates, etc, associated with these knives US Military utility multi tool knife, no lanyard. SKIP. This knife was popular during the second world war and I will assume that so are the people who knew a lot about it. Thanks for the feedback. For the next 27 years it was in my Squad car or on my SWAT belt. Sweeping grind. Its blade is double-edged and has a length of 170mm (6 11/16 inches). But there are clever reproductions that can fool you into thinking its the real thing. A similar issue occurs when dating the Kinfolks knife, but the chances of that error are slim. No matter the reason for wanting to date that blade, these methods will get you an accurate year or an era, at worst. This registration, granted in 1980, is for use of paranitrophenol as a fungicide incorporated into leather for military use, at a concentration not to exceed 0.7% on the basis of dry finished leather weight. If you send me your email address I can send you photos. It is also suspected that knife makers will begin to find ways to improve the knife and manufacture their versions of the knife similar to what knife companies are doing with other legacy knife designs. They are back again and better then ever. knife with Rosewood plain grips and brass pins. The sharpened clip point on the blade allows the pilot to punch a hole in the aluminum then use the knife spine as a hasty saw to cut through the aircraft skin during an aircraft egress situation. Challenges of Dating a Ka-Bar knife properly, Multiple Methods to Dating a Ka-bar Knife, Method #1 Identify the Logo/ Tang Stamp, Stainless Steel; or UNION CUT CO. & OLEAN, N. Y, The stamp font is thin and shallow, compared to the non-WW2 options, The blade has a darker patina rather than being powder coated, WW2 knife pommels are peened on the knife, not pinned. Many GIs bought these knives and carried them during the war in Vietnam, including my father, who bought on in the exchange in Takhli, Thailand, and wore it during missions over North Vietnam. Camillus Tang Stamps and Dates (www.bladeforums.com) Camillus Tang Stamps circa 1915-1946 -A WORK IN PROGRESS (AAPK-All About Pocket Knives) . When I enlisted in 69 I got my next one from supply. factory reference collection. Here is an image of my fullered 5 inch blade next to the saber ground blade knife. by MITCH RAPP Mon May 27, 2013 5:42 pm, Post I have a MK2 copy that I bought in the US Army AAFES exchange in West Germany in the mid-1980s. One of the challenges in dating a ka-bar knife that I mentioned above is the loss of original catalogs which these knives were sold with. Among the "bright" finished knives you will find a variance. That stamp is different than the one used earlier. the knife is a Camillus model number 5733. in the handle grip from the looks of it. Camillus stagged bone grips with brass pins. I like that, but cannot figure out what type of knife that may be. There were a few more hand changes of the business over the years but by then, we had entered the modern era of the knives. Thus, the current standards, methods, and procedures were not necessarily applicable to the procurement process that brought this knife into existence. I would, thus, rather you look at the knife itself rather than trying to use the sheath to make a judgment. 5665: Early 12/29/1939 prototype of the new Camillus design auction. USMC Raider reproduction with fine pewter handle. The fun thing is that you also date the scabbards. by Colonel666 Mon May 27, 2013 2:59 am, Post We have been told these knives were carried by various elite The M3 was originally designated for issue to soldiers not otherwise equipped with a bayonet. I used it for Scouting till 1968. Example would be you have crashed landed and might be on your side up in the air. Thanks. stagged Rosewood with brass pins, S-6541 marked Guarded Version stagged Rosewood with brass piece, they were never made in WW II. Camillus knives are one of my most favorites knives to date. Only the same "Camillus N.Y." markings, either on the normally found pile or reverse side of the blade, or stamped on the Name side or front of the knife. Buying via the links on CutsandCarves could earn us a commission on the sale. Both have dark what I believe is blued blades. These were in issue up to 2000 as for as Im aware. Surplus stores will purchase them in bulk through U.S. Government auctions, collectors will buy them at auctions, military museums will display them, and they will continue to be available for purchase on the internet. rivets, Kent Sportsman with etching and stagged bone and large Since the knife was not making it to only American troops but the allies, the demand was genuinely high. Never knew that opinions could be this varied. Some shady knife enthusiasts might want to get the knife from you at a steal price or in a swap deal for something else. The original design of this 5" blade is, I believe, a pre-war Marbles design which was known as the "Ideal", a #45. I was in Boy Scouts. You can jump to the following sections if youre in a hurry, but I would advise that you dont skip this part. It doesn't get much better then this one. Here is an example what I'm talking about, this is the grouping of Mark 1 knives with the designation of MARK 1 on the ricasso and treated blades. If you dont find your stamp and logo from there, use the official stamp/ logo guide from the official Ka-bar website as seen below: There is a lot that you can tell about the Ka-bar knife from the markings on the blade. The bolt end of the handle is unmarked. companies to design the Para knife. The rarest USMC knife in Finally, the knives I had would not hold a decent edge but may have had a sufficient edge in a land survival situation. together at the same time. So far I have not found the S card for and it's variations check out Gary Cunningham's Bayonet Points # 8 right here Bayo Points 8 by orvet Tue May 28, 2013 1:20 pm, Post It is currently still in inventory with the DoD through the GSA. Ive bookmarked your site and Im including your RSS feeds to my Google account. You mentioned the Ontario KNife Company briefly in the article. Their commercial version of the survival knife had a polished blade instead of a subdued or blued blade, brass guard, and polished pommel. Woolworths, S3388: When the Marines formed the ParaMarines they needed a The latest dated pommel stamped Camillus 5733 is 3-1985. Mine has a blued blade and crossguard. The Air Force Survival Knife will be around for a very long time. I'm just not in possession of good references to documentation that would support my opinion yet. Regards, The current edition of this document is Aerospace Standard SAE-AS-8662. From DIY approaches to unconventional models and even taking the knife to experts, one of these methods will get you a proper timeline of your knife. Engineers. About as plain as you can get, this is a prototype paring At a time like this, when not all dealers can be trusted, you need to be on guard. If you happen to have, Read More How to Date A Case Kodiak Knife by Yourself (Expert Advice)Continue, If you have spent some time here before, then we have dated some pretty amazing knives together. - Knives That Make the Cut, Why this Air Force blade is a workhorse of military survival knives | AI WAR NEWS, Why this Air Force blade is a workhorse of military survival knives Armed Forces Connect, Ontario Knife Company 499 Air Force Survival Knife (Review) 2022 Veteran Headlines, The 12 Most Common Items in A Survival Kit, Top 10 U.S. Military Gear For Backpackers. Enjoy! The stamping was kind of inconsistent from my research. Leather washers handle with a heavy round pommel and slightly curved guard; all parts are perfectly tight with no play. The guard is stamped CAMILLUS on one side, U.S.N. They all now have similar appearances, a conformity if you will. That is some inspirational stuff. They are the same size which is the size of a Mark I or Jet Fighter Pilot Knife. US MILITARIA FORUM - COLLECTORS PRESERVING HISTORY Camillus Cuda Bolt Spring Assisted Knife Gray (3.625" Black) CM19080 MSRP: $50.99 Our Price: $43.95 Add to Cart Camillus Erupt Spring Assisted Knife Black GRN (2.5" Black) Our Price: $33.95 Add to Cart Camillus HEAT Spring Assisted Knife Black GFN (3.5" Black) CM19167 Our Price: $55.95 Add to Cart 1 2 3 Items 1 - 12 of 27 Show per page Sort By Camillus Bombat 6" Pocket Knife #19484 $17.99 I have a Camillus USA 5 fixed blade knife that was issued to me between 1964-1965 as a flight crew member in Patrol Squadron 8, VP-8 Anti submarine warfare squadron. Made after march 1985 to 2006. However, based on the information that I have collected, vetted, and coupled with my own experience with the DoD procurement and testing process, here is the basic history of this knife. Unknown Hunting Knife: Kent was a trade name used by F W I'll leave it at this, there is some conjecture out there on what these knives might or might not be. Thanks for all the photos. But so many times the answer can be quite complicated. Camillus was also notorious for sometimes mixing up the tang stamps. Sign up for a new account in our community. sactroop- Just noticed the lower Camillus above the stamped sheath has a very well defined, scooped out fuller. Dated 1/25/1943 on the order. S-5382 Half guard prototype with scaler back and 3 small Required fields are marked *. Camillus produced the Jet Pilot Survival Knife with a 5-inch blade from 1961-2006. But this is Ontario. Thanks for the info major. Fortunately for us, Camillus changed their stamps enough to map each one to different periods. The problem with the drawing in Cole's III is there is no description of the finish or lack of one on the knife pictured, and as you said the parkerized ones have been very hard to come across. The table below shows you different tang stamp designs and when they were circulated.Tang StampDescriptionYear/ Era3-line arch stamp1902-19154-line straight stamp with yearFeatures year of manufacture3-line straight stamp1916 the 1930s4-line straight stampThe 1930s mid-19453-line; non-italic fonts; short underline1946 19503-line; non-italic, full underline; no dots (USA., not U.S.A.)1960 the 1970s3-line stamp; full underline; dotted U.S.A.; italicsThe 1970s 1980s3-line stamp; dotted U.S.A.; mixed caps1989 2007Camillus Knife Tang Stamps and their Eras. Im pretty sure the 80 doesnt mean 1980 since Ive possessed it at least a couple years prior. The knife went through a couple of different vendors over its life cycle. I have never heard it being issued in the Navy but can say without a doubt many all of us flight crew members were issued one. It doesn't sit flush my guess is it was replaced. surely wasn't in Vietnam unless it was with a tourist. The serrated spine was designed to cut through the aluminum skin surrounding the airframes of Korean and Vietnam War-era aircraft. If you dont go to knife shows, you might also have some luck with veteran knife collectors in your locale. The 6 inches blade was shortend to 5 inches keeping the profile and was then accepted. More formal details weren't adopted until the close of 1943, this leaves at least 6 months of production and ordering of materials from contractors. Pilot Survival Knife MIL-K-8662(AER). I, too, have one that has a small Japan stamped on the blade at the hilt. Made in September 1941. Additionally, the jet age in military aviation increased the number of gear pilots and aircrews had to carry on their flights. I have sent you an email to see how I may be able to help. I am 63 yo and have had this knife since I was a teenager. If you happen to have, Read More How to Date A Case Kodiak Knife by Yourself (Expert Advice)Continue, Klein knives are clear vintages, and theyre one of those knives that went to the war. They got into every kind of game and having different manufacturers along the line meant that they all didnt have to stick to the same design philosophy. However, the registrations for all registered products containing salicylanilide as an active ingredient have been canceled. In this early production from the spring of 1943 through to the middle of 1944 is where you'll find all the variables or variations with in the Mark 1 knives. The grip will be made of leather in compliance with Federal Standard KK-L-165. As such, this knife was not intended as a frontiersman or bushcraft knife, per se. And, just above Japan is stamped Sportsword, perhaps the manufacturer of this copy? Later, when we received individual survival and flotation gear, the knife scabbard was sometimes sewn into the pocket where a .38 special was stored during Vietnam days on the survival vest. After more than two decades (1897) in this business, importation costs for the knives were getting higher and wiping out Adolphs profits. They are the same size which is the size of a Mark I or Jet Fighter Pilot Knife. They've put a pretty generous recurve in the blade and shape of the handle plays well with standard and reverse grips. and sold through the PX system as well. To re-arrange a genuine item like this would be quite a task. Camillus clearly had skinning in mind with this knife. Ka-bar knives are not made like they used to be anymore. Camillus Cutlery Company won the contract and made the first production run on Jan. 27, 1943. 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